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	<title>Comments on: Scrounging a 3Com Super Stack II</title>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2006/09/01/scrounging-a-3com-super-stack-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always take apart anything electronic that breaks or is no longer needed at my house. I have built up a great collection of parts that have cost me nothing but a little time to get. I like how parts scrounging has become more popular with the advent of BEAM and Makers. Thanks for the great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always take apart anything electronic that breaks or is no longer needed at my house. I have built up a great collection of parts that have cost me nothing but a little time to get. I like how parts scrounging has become more popular with the advent of BEAM and Makers. Thanks for the great article.</p>
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		<title>By: dfowler</title>
		<link>http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2006/09/01/scrounging-a-3com-super-stack-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>dfowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giovanni,

I assume you have one of these supplies which is why you want to know the voltages. Each of the supply voltages is marked on the PCB where the wires connect. It would be better for you to get the information that way as they could have changed the wire colors.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giovanni,</p>
<p>I assume you have one of these supplies which is why you want to know the voltages. Each of the supply voltages is marked on the PCB where the wires connect. It would be better for you to get the information that way as they could have changed the wire colors.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: GIOVANNI</title>
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		<dc:creator>GIOVANNI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi i need help please send me the colour of each cable of power supply of this 3com switch, thanks..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i need help please send me the colour of each cable of power supply of this 3com switch, thanks..</p>
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		<title>By: dfowler</title>
		<link>http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2006/09/01/scrounging-a-3com-super-stack-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>dfowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes..  Might be simple to make a fixture that the board could hang from on one corner. The fixture would rotate so the board sweeps around in front of the hot air gun. It could also bump into a peg or something on one of it&#039;s corners as it goes around on the fixture. Just put a box under the rig to catch the parts.

On problem I have experienced with the shake or bump method to remove the parts is that you end up with big splashes of solder across the pins on the salvaged parts. It is easy to clean up but you will end up wanting to clean them all before you sort them into your collection.

I tend to keep the boards I want to scrounge from intact and just go after the parts I need. The come off cleaner and I don&#039;t spend much time cleaning and sorting. Of course, I don&#039;t always know what parts I have this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes..  Might be simple to make a fixture that the board could hang from on one corner. The fixture would rotate so the board sweeps around in front of the hot air gun. It could also bump into a peg or something on one of it&#8217;s corners as it goes around on the fixture. Just put a box under the rig to catch the parts.</p>
<p>On problem I have experienced with the shake or bump method to remove the parts is that you end up with big splashes of solder across the pins on the salvaged parts. It is easy to clean up but you will end up wanting to clean them all before you sort them into your collection.</p>
<p>I tend to keep the boards I want to scrounge from intact and just go after the parts I need. The come off cleaner and I don&#8217;t spend much time cleaning and sorting. Of course, I don&#8217;t always know what parts I have this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting idea would be to somehow attach the whole pcb board to some kind a dual clamp that vibrats enough that if you heated the pcb from the bottomside with the heat gun, that everything would eventually fall right off. Would be a great way to entirely strip a pcb board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting idea would be to somehow attach the whole pcb board to some kind a dual clamp that vibrats enough that if you heated the pcb from the bottomside with the heat gun, that everything would eventually fall right off. Would be a great way to entirely strip a pcb board.</p>
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		<title>By: dfowler</title>
		<link>http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2006/09/01/scrounging-a-3com-super-stack-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>dfowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 04:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Paul, lots of good information and advice.

One idea I wanted to try was using a skillet and some sand. I have seen this done before for single sided through hole PCB scrounging. Basically you just put some clean sand in an electric skillet and heat it up. Put the PCB in the sand and use a broom handle to push the PCB down into the heated sand. Use long nose pliers to pull out the parts.

This should also work for surface mount parts but the parts on the sand side of the board might get lost in the sand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Paul, lots of good information and advice.</p>
<p>One idea I wanted to try was using a skillet and some sand. I have seen this done before for single sided through hole PCB scrounging. Basically you just put some clean sand in an electric skillet and heat it up. Put the PCB in the sand and use a broom handle to push the PCB down into the heated sand. Use long nose pliers to pull out the parts.</p>
<p>This should also work for surface mount parts but the parts on the sand side of the board might get lost in the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have done a bit of etrash scrapping myself. Though I have never tried a hot air gun, I use a 5 pound solder pot myself. I have nicknamed that device &quot;The Volcano&quot;. If truth be told I have actually done a lot of parts harvesting. Another very popular method I have talked to people about is using one of those Bernzomatic propane torches to bulk desolder PCBs. That, and get an empty cardboard box and use what we in the industry refer to as the, &quot;heat it and beat it&quot; technique. Where you heat a section of the board then quickly flip it over and beat it on the edge of the cardboard box, letting the parts fall into the box. There are variants to this technique, the good old slap it on the desktop method is popular too. It takes less forethought, and maybe a bit more running around to retrieve all the parts, but it is another widely used technique none the less.

Though this technique only works with boards where component leads have not been formed, and there is enough loose play clearance. When it does work well, the parts come out like rain. I should add one tip though, with any of the beating, or slapping techniques beads of molten solder are released from the board too, if you don&#039;t pick up your parts, or sweep them to the side or something, you will end up with some parts getting beaded in the next cycle of the process.

Also, some strategy comes into play with bulk desoldering. Heat is destructive to all components in great enough quantities, or duration. So, plan your attack to liberate the most heat sensitive, or desirable parts off a board first. Typically I will go after semis first, then capacitors, then resistors. As their name would imply, resistors can really resist some heat usually.

Many scrounged parts are of a higher quality than an experimenter can typically buy. Professionals assembling PCBs often have better sources for parts than amatuers. Some of the obsolete tech from the 80s that cost tens of thousands of dollars when it was new was put together with some pretty nice stuff! I have scrapped a couple of ancient mini computers, unreal the components in those. Junk boxing as it is called is a time honored tradition in the electronics hobby community. You&#039;ll always have to buy some parts, but the more you can dredge up out of your junk box the greater the pride of accomplishment, for me at anyrate. Any idiot can spend money I always say.

 I&#039;m glad to see that you folks aren&#039;t wasting your time trying to use soldering irons to bulk desolder PCBs. I did, I suppose we all have, it doesn&#039;t really work. Desoldering rework stations are for when the PCB is still the most valuable component in an assembly, when it comes time to scrap something for parts, I say throw another PCB on the barbie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have done a bit of etrash scrapping myself. Though I have never tried a hot air gun, I use a 5 pound solder pot myself. I have nicknamed that device &#8220;The Volcano&#8221;. If truth be told I have actually done a lot of parts harvesting. Another very popular method I have talked to people about is using one of those Bernzomatic propane torches to bulk desolder PCBs. That, and get an empty cardboard box and use what we in the industry refer to as the, &#8220;heat it and beat it&#8221; technique. Where you heat a section of the board then quickly flip it over and beat it on the edge of the cardboard box, letting the parts fall into the box. There are variants to this technique, the good old slap it on the desktop method is popular too. It takes less forethought, and maybe a bit more running around to retrieve all the parts, but it is another widely used technique none the less.</p>
<p>Though this technique only works with boards where component leads have not been formed, and there is enough loose play clearance. When it does work well, the parts come out like rain. I should add one tip though, with any of the beating, or slapping techniques beads of molten solder are released from the board too, if you don&#8217;t pick up your parts, or sweep them to the side or something, you will end up with some parts getting beaded in the next cycle of the process.</p>
<p>Also, some strategy comes into play with bulk desoldering. Heat is destructive to all components in great enough quantities, or duration. So, plan your attack to liberate the most heat sensitive, or desirable parts off a board first. Typically I will go after semis first, then capacitors, then resistors. As their name would imply, resistors can really resist some heat usually.</p>
<p>Many scrounged parts are of a higher quality than an experimenter can typically buy. Professionals assembling PCBs often have better sources for parts than amatuers. Some of the obsolete tech from the 80s that cost tens of thousands of dollars when it was new was put together with some pretty nice stuff! I have scrapped a couple of ancient mini computers, unreal the components in those. Junk boxing as it is called is a time honored tradition in the electronics hobby community. You&#8217;ll always have to buy some parts, but the more you can dredge up out of your junk box the greater the pride of accomplishment, for me at anyrate. Any idiot can spend money I always say.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m glad to see that you folks aren&#8217;t wasting your time trying to use soldering irons to bulk desolder PCBs. I did, I suppose we all have, it doesn&#8217;t really work. Desoldering rework stations are for when the PCB is still the most valuable component in an assembly, when it comes time to scrap something for parts, I say throw another PCB on the barbie!</p>
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		<title>By: dfowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it works. Most of the parts I have right now came from scrounging like this. I need to get some resistor and capacitor assortments but I plan to keep on scrounging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it works. Most of the parts I have right now came from scrounging like this. I need to get some resistor and capacitor assortments but I plan to keep on scrounging.</p>
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		<title>By: werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep that seems to work just fine... actually for while i did some smd soldering-on jobs with a (much smaller) hot air de-soldering device... worked fine!!
greetz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep that seems to work just fine&#8230; actually for while i did some smd soldering-on jobs with a (much smaller) hot air de-soldering device&#8230; worked fine!!<br />
greetz</p>
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